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February 21, 2009

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Ray Adkins

Rachel,

This is beyond pathetic!
These are most likely "money for drugs" fueled crimes.
There is no doubt that every IDIOT in Rio that ever used any kind of drugs is directly responsible for the CRIME that plagues the city.
The absurd COMPLACENCY of the cariocas with all that is going wrong in Rio is just unbelievable.
Cariocas have to wake up and realize they are the only ones that can do something to change this pathetic situation!
Their future is in serious jeopardy!
There must be hope for a better future. It is POSSIBLE.
Miami was probably worse than Rio with rampant murders and other DRUG related crimes during the 80's.
They manage to start turning around by dismantling their corrupted POLICE force, they had to send the FEDs in for a while, until they could start a new police force from scratch.
There was a combined effort from Federal and State governments to rid the city of DRUG related crimes.
It took them a while, but the economy in Miami today no longer depends on DRUG money like it did in the 80's, they were able to clear up their image and turn their future around.
Rio can definitely get rid of their corrupted Police and lower crime in their beautiful city, Rio is much more privileged than poor (swamp surrounded) Miami.
Rio has a rich culture, history and a wonderful people, they just have to wake up from this horrible nightmare, pull up their sleeves and demand change.

Ray


Ray Adkins

Rachel,

This is pathetic!
These are most likely "money for drugs" fueled crimes.
There is no doubt that every IDIOT in Rio that ever used any kind of drugs is directly responsible for the CRIME that plagues the city.
The absurd COMPLACENCY of the cariocas with all that is going wrong in Rio is just unbelievable.
Cariocas have to wake up and realize they are the only ones that can do something to change this pathetic situation!
Their future is in serious jeopardy!
There must be hope for a better future. It is POSSIBLE.
Miami was probably worse than Rio with rampant murders and other DRUG related crimes during the 80's.
They manage to start turning around by dismantling their corrupted POLICE force, they had to send the FEDs in for a while, until they could start a new police force from scratch.
There was a combined effort from Federal and State governments to rid the city of DRUG related crimes.
It took them a while, but the economy in Miami today no longer depends on DRUG money like it did in the 80's, they were able to clear up their image and turn their future around.
Rio can definitely get rid of their corrupted Police and lower crime in their beautiful city, Rio is much more privileged than poor (swamp surrounded) Miami.
Rio has a rich culture, history and a wonderful people, they just have to wake up from this horrible nightmare, pull up their sleeves and demand change.

Ray

Aline

Well , doesnt surprise me at all. What about the gangs of nurses and doctors who pray on clubbers and bohemians the body organs?? The "Turistas" movie is not fiction at all, it had been going on for years in main cities in Brazil and Latin America. It may be DRUG related, and or desperation. I do not know what robbing turists and their petty cash money and MP3s will possibly do to contribute to funding drug cartels. However, one can infer that it is a numbers game: the more you rob the more you collect? But still... Petty cash, petty attitude. It is just sooooo Rio. Plain sorry. Cariocas will do nothing about it, it is called being a conformist and that is all they know. Brazilians remind me of Russians after the Perestroyka... They do anything for money. Not lots of money. Just for a bit more.

Alexandra

The unfortunate side effect of all of that things like that are the reason I haven't been to Rio in over 5 years (perhaps even more) and I definitely do not recommend it to my gringo friends. If they really want to go to Brazil, I tell them to go to Bahia or the Amazon, where there is a good structure for receiving foreigners.

Ray Adkins

Aline,

Are you kidding me? You wrote:
"The "Turistas" movie is not fiction at all, it had been going on for years in main cities in Brazil and Latin America"
This afirmation is ludicrous to say the least.
It is NOT TRUTH, let's not go crazy with our imaginations here...please.
That is pure fiction and not real at all.
What happened in Rio this week is real and sad but it doesn't give us the right to go crazy making up stuff and blowing things out of proportion.
Relax and enjoy Carnaval wherever you are!


Ray

Guilherme

Rachel,

This might be due to the fact that Brazilian Society cannot be defined by "upper - middle - lower" classes.

The Government (IBGE) has created a new criteria to classify society according to their income (formerly "classes" A B C D and E) , nowadays there are even subdivisions "B1 B2 C1 C2".

This division is because there is a huge difference between families who earn the same amount of money.

However, I must say that even this criteria is outdated nowadays, as a "diarista" can get paid 60 reais a day = 1200,00 a month, but since this activity is normally undeclared, she would be considered to be in a lower class than she actually should be.

So the kids might be middle class, but still live in a favela or have poor conditions.

Guilherme.

Ray Adkins

Guilherme,

A diarista for 60 Reais a day, that is great! Where do you live?
We used to pay between 100 and 200 Reais per day in Sao Paulo, depending on the diarista and the day of the week, all registered with "Carteira assinada" by the book...

mallory elise

yeash. scary. i've always felt really good at hostels in europe, but i'm not sure at all about any in north or south america. i hope those travelers weren't alone :( i don't want to sound like a lame-o, but the whole concept of carnival kinda scares me! well maybe not scares, i think if i was there i would probably be completely overwhelmed.

André

Aline, at another post you were talking about high quality of live in Curitiba.

Just so you know: Curitiba is as violent as Rio (that's a fact by the way, not a guess). The thing is: Curitba people do not know it themselves. The whole world knows about violence in Rio, the media overblown every little thing that happens here and every single person who lives here is aware of it and want change (different of your incredibly wrong and ignorant perception). But in Curitiba, nobody gives a shit about what's going on: the media, the people who live there, the rest of the country. All that's left is their habitants telling about the high quality of life there and how they're privileged which is nothing more than a bunch of lies (and they have absolutely no idea it's not true). It's quite laughable really.

Ray Adkins

Andre,

You sound quite laughable right now!

Hanna

http://www.jornalcomunicacao.ufpr.br/node/4825


"Em Curitiba, não poderia ser diferente. Dados estatísticos recentes colocam Curitiba entre as cidades mais violentas do país, aproximando-a de São Paulo e do Rio de Janeiro."

Carl

I vote Ray for Prez!

Ray Adkins

Hanna,

Statistics are completely different from reality.
Sao Paulo's crime is completely different from Rio's, for example, it happens mostly far away from where the middle and upper classes live.
Honestly it is the first time I hear of Curitiba being violent enough to be compared to large cosmopolitan cities such as Sao Paulo and Rio.
Curitiba is somewhat of a small town...it shouldn't have such high crime rates...

Guilherme

I live in Rio Ray, but my cousin that lives in Sp pays less than I do actually.

She pays 45 but the diarista only cleans the house (ours also do some ironing).

Guilherme

Also, Ray in Rio most crimes happen far away from where middle class lives. Around 10000 people die in Rio each year, due to violence, 95% of these deaths happen in favelas.

And São paulo is the capital of robberies and kidnaps followed by murders (latrocínio). And Rio has actually the 3rd murder rate of the country (behind Recife and São paulo).

Also, there isn't much news on violence outside Rio, there are lots of brutal murders on the countryside that aren't even on the news, unfortunately.

Ray Adkins

It is probably the area of the city that one lives, Sao Paulo is such a huge metropolitan area.
I am sure you could find someone desperate enough to work for half the going rate...


Ray Adkins

Guilherme,


I hear you! What you wrote might even be truth, however people are terrified of Rio, the image of city couldn't get any worse if you tried to actually trash it.
The same doesn't happen with Recife, Curitiba or Sao Paulo, regardless of what amount or type of crime those other cities actually have, Rio gets the bad reputation for a dangerous place and the middle and upper classes are terrorized along with many tourists.
Not only the crime situation trashes Rio's images, but last year I landed in Rio for an International Conference and I couldn't believe the terrible conditions of the International Airport Galeao...there was an abandoned Gasoline Truck on the side of the tarmac in the middle of 5 foot tall weeds growing all over the place, burned light bulbs everywhere, broken tiles in restrooms, it really looked like a third world bus station of a secondary city.
To make matters worse, the Conference was at the Sheraton Rio, do you know, the one with a beautiful small private looking beach surrounded by slums on a hill.
The international tourists and conference attendees were confined to the hotel's balconies because a mob of men from the slums playing soccer on the beach and they were violent, there were eventual fights and shouting and cussing, the paying tourists were confined to the hotel pool area while the slums took over the beach.
We heard that sometimes there were shootings in the slums and if that happened we should stay away from the hotel windows to avoid stray bullets.
How many of those tourists do you think are going back to Rio?
Not many if you ask me.
It sounds like some of you cariocas here are desperate to defend the image of their city by trying to pull down the image of others like some recent comments regarding the violence in Sao Paulo and Curitiba, it just doesn't fly, I am sorry, it looks worse.
First thing I heard when I arrived in Rio was to avoid the yellow taxis at all costs, that they were dangerous, that I should only use the white taxis and never ride the subway or trains, now, I don't know if this is true or just a little war for clients between the White Airport Taxis and the Yellow City Taxis, but the words VIOLENCE and DANGER were the first thing that greeted us to a dilapidated Rio Airport.
I go to business trips into Sao Paulo very often and I never heard of any problems with Taxis, I ride the subway all the time, walk around the city with no fear and I just don't hear people telling me to be afraid, be careful all the time like I hear when I am in Rio, in other words, the cariocas scared me with their stories of violence more than anything, the Paulistas don't either because they don't have as much crime or simply because they don't talk about it.
I was never mugged in Rio or never saw anyone who was, for me it is mostly psychological terror that I hear from Cariocas when I am in Rio, I try not to be afraid and enjoy the city and I have succeeded in doing so.
I never experienced the same about Sao Paulo or any other Brazilian city.
I am not bashing Rio, I am just giving you my perspective on the crime image of the city.
I love Rio and will keep going back to the city every chance I get.
I just truly hope that you guys get your act together, repairing that horrible International Airport would be a welcome first thing to do on a long list of things the city needs to do to clean up its image and actually reduce crime.


Ray

Jen

I'm thinking of having T-shirts printed up. Maybe Aline can be my first customer. "I went to Rio and all I got were this lousy T-shirt and a jagged scar where my right kidney used to be."

Aline

I see this stirred some controversy...

When I lived in CTBA was during the 80s. Same goes to Fpolis and POA. I do not know what the status of the city has been since the 2000s. However, I very much doubt is comparable. And even if it had become THAT violent and Curitibanos are obliviated about it; maybe so because Cariocas and Paulistanos decided to move down there? :) Curitiba became violent. Rio and SP have been violent, sensible difference, isn't it? Not to say that there was no crime in CTBA in the past but it was not certainly popular for it, on the contrary.

Human trafficking and organ trafficking is not an urban legend. It is very real. Not only in Brazil but Moldovia, South Africa, Singapore, Belgium, Austria, and Spain. Matter of fact, when living in Brazil in 1999 there were reports of a well organized ring of organ traffickers (doctors and nurses) targeting turists for their organs. They were also approaching people of a certain age group in major cities while they were partying at night in upscale clubs and bars.

Ray Adkins

That was a movie, doppie!
Not truth, the movie was called "Turistas"...

O V

Someone got robbed in Santa Teresa? OMG, no way >_>

Reima

I was actually in Rio the day that had happened. One of the girls who was robbed ended up in our hostel talking loudly about it and I could hear everything she had said. It sounded horrible.

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